Two Sides of a Coin. You'll have to ask around Bruma for rumors to be told about this quest. Once you have it, you'll be told that Arnora Auria needs help recovering money that was stolen from her.
Roman imperial coin, struck c. 241, with the head of Tranquillina on the obverse, or front of the coin, and her marriage to GordianIII depicted on the reverse, or back side of the coin, in smaller scale; the coin exhibits the obverse – 'head', or front – and reverse – 'tail', or back – convention that still dominates much coinage today.
- These four act as the cosmological compass of the universal axis. Infinity’s opposite is Oblivion. Where Eternity represents all time in the universe, Infinity represents all space.
- They are two sides of the same coin, just like the right brain and the left brain in Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World. This idea echoes Maurice Merleau-Ponty’s attempt to maintain a relationship between perceptual splits like the right hand and the left hand.
A Roman imperial coin of Marcus Claudius Tacitus, who ruled briefly from 275 to 276, follows the convention of obverse and reverse coin traditions.
Obverse and its opposite, reverse, refer to the two flat faces of coins and some other two-sided objects, including paper money, flags, seals, medals, drawings, old master prints and other works of art, and printed fabrics. In this usage, obverse means the front face of the object and reverse means the back face. The obverse of a coin is commonly called heads, because it often depicts the head of a prominent person, and the reverse tails.
In fields of scholarship outside numismatics, the term front is more commonly used than obverse, while usage of reverse is widespread.
The equivalent terms used in codicology, manuscript studies, print studies and publishing are 'recto' and 'verso'.
Identification[edit]
On a Tetradrachma of Athens, struck c. 490 BC, the head of Athena, (left), is regarded as the obverse because of its larger scale and because it is a portrait head; the entire owl is depicted in a smaller scale on the reverse.
Generally, the side of a coin with the larger-scale image will be called the obverse (especially if the image is a single head) and, if that does not serve to distinguish them, the side that is more typical of a wide range of coins from that location will be called the obverse. Following this principle, in the most famous of ancient Greek coins, the tetradrachm of Athens, the obverse is the head of Athena and the reverse is her owl. Similar versions of these two images, both symbols of the state, were used on the Athenian coins for more than two centuries.
In the many republics of ancient Greece,[1] such as Athens or Corinth, one side of their coins would have a symbol of the state, usually their patron goddess or her symbol, which remained constant through all of the coins minted by that state, which is regarded as the obverse of those coins. The opposite side may have varied from time to time. In ancient Greek monarchical coinage, the situation continued whereby a larger image of a deity, is called the obverse, but a smaller image of a monarch appears on the other side which is called the reverse.
Obverse of the tetradrachm of Alexander the Great, intended to be seen as a deity, wearing the attributes of the hero, Heracles/Hercules. 325BC.
In a Westernmonarchy, it has been customary, following the tradition of the Hellenistic monarchs and then the Roman emperors, for the currency to bear the head of the monarch on one side, which is almost always regarded as the obverse. This change happened in the coinage of Alexander the Great, which continued to be minted long after his death. After his conquest of ancient Egypt, he allowed himself to be depicted on the obverse of coins as a god-king, at least partly because he thought this would help secure the allegiance of the Egyptians, who had regarded their previous monarchs, the pharaohs, as divine. The various Hellenistic rulers who were his successors followed his tradition and kept their images on the obverse of coins.
Solidus of Justinian II after 705. Christ is on the obverse (left), the emperor on the reverse.
A movement back to the earlier tradition of a deity being placed on the obverse occurred in Byzantine coinage, where a head of Christ became the obverse and a head or portrait (half or full-length) of the emperor became considered the reverse. The introduction of this style in the gold coins of Justinian II from the year 695 provoked the Islamic Caliph, Abd al-Malik, who previously had copied Byzantine designs, replacing Christian symbols with Islamic equivalents, finally to develop a distinctive Islamic style, with just lettering on both sides of their coins. This script alone style then was used on nearly all Islamic coinage until the modern period. The type of Justinian II was revived after the end of the Byzantine Iconoclasm, and with variations remained the norm until the end of the Empire. Without images, therefore, it is not always easy to tell which side will be regarded as the obverse without some knowledge.
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Silver rupee using Mughal conventions, but minted by the British East India CompanyMadras Presidency between 1817 and 1835. On rupees, the side that carries the name of the ruler is considered the obverse.
After 695 Islamic coins avoided all images of persons and usually contained script alone. The side expressing the Six Kalimas (the Islamic profession of faith) is usually defined as the obverse.
A convention exists typically to display the obverse to the left (or above) and the reverse to the right (or below) in photographs and museum displays, but this is not invariably observed.
Modern coins[edit]
The form of currency follows its function, which is to serve as a readily accepted medium of exchange of value. Normally, this function rests on a state as guarantor of the value: either as trustworthy guarantor of the kind and amount of metal in a coin, or as powerful guarantor of the continuing acceptance of token coins.
Traditionally, most states have been monarchies where the person of the monarch and the state were equivalent for most purposes. For this reason, the obverse side of a modern piece of currency is the one that evokes that reaction by invoking the strength of the state, and that side almost always depicts a symbol of the state, whether it be the monarch or otherwise.
If not provided for on the obverse, the reverse side usually contains information relating to a coin's role as medium of exchange (such as the value of the coin). Additional space typically reflects the issuing country's culture or government, or evokes some aspect of the state's territory.
Specific currencies[edit]
Coins of the Eurozone[edit]
National side (obverse) of a Lithuanian €2 coin
Regarding the euro, some confusion regarding the obverse and reverse of the euro coins exists. Officially, as agreed by the informal Economic and Finance Ministers Council of Verona in April 1996, and despite the fact that a number of countries have a different design for each coin, the distinctive national side for the circulation coins is the obverse and the common European side (which includes the coin value) is the reverse.[2] This rule does not apply to the collector coins as they do not have a common side.
A number of the designs used for obverse national sides of euro coins were taken from the reverse of the nations' former pre-euro coins. Several countries (such as Spain and Belgium) continue to use portraits of the reigning monarch; while the Republic of Ireland continues to use the State Arms, as on its earlier issues.
Coins of Japan[edit]
¥500 coin, the obverse showing a Paulownia plant, the reverse showing the value '500', and the year 2006 (平成十八年, heisei juu-hachi nen)
In Japan, from 1897 to the end of World War II, the following informal conventions existed:
- the Chrysanthemum Throne (or Chrysanthemum Crest), representing the imperial family, appeared on all coins, and this side was regarded as the obverse;
- the other side, on which the date appeared, was regarded as the reverse.
The Chrysanthemum Crest was no longer used after the war, and so (equally informally):
- the side on which the date appears continues to be regarded as the reverse;
- the side without the date is regarded as the obverse.
Coins of the United Kingdom[edit]
A left-facing portrait of Edward VIII on the obverse of United Kingdom and Empire coins would have broken tradition.
Following ancient tradition, the obverse of coins of the United Kingdom (and predecessor kingdoms going back to the middle ages) almost always feature the head of the monarch.
By tradition, each British monarch faces in the opposite direction of his or her predecessor; this is said to date from 1661, with Charles II turning his back on Oliver Cromwell. Hence, George VI faced left and the present Queen faces right. The only break in this tradition almost occurred in 1936 when Edward VIII, believing his left side to be superior to his right, insisted on his image facing left, as his father's image had. No official legislation prevented his wishes being granted, so left-facing obverses were prepared for minting. Very few examples were struck before he abdicated later that year, but none bearing this portrait ever were issued officially. When George VI acceded to the throne, his image was placed to face left, implying that, had any coins been minted with Edward's portrait the obverses would have depicted Edward facing right and maintained the tradition.
Current UK coinage features the following abbreviated Latin inscription: D[EI] G[RATIA] REG[INA] F[IDEI] D[EFENSOR] ('By the Grace of God Queen, Defender of the Faith'). Earlier issues, before 1954, included BRIT[ANNIARUM] OMN[IUM] ('of all the Britains' – that is, Britain and its dominions) and, before 1949, IND[IAE] IMP[ERATOR] ('Emperor of India').
Coins of the United States[edit]
The United States specifies what appears on the obverse and reverse of its currency. The specifications mentioned here imply the use of all upper-case letters, although they appear here in upper and lower case letters for the legibility of the article.
US dollar coin, with the obverse side showing Susan B. Anthony, the words 'Liberty' and 'In God We Trust', and the year 1979; the reverse side shows the words 'One Dollar', 'United States of America', and 'E Pluribus Unum', and an eagle carrying a laurel branch.
The United States government long adhered to including all of the following:
- Obverse:
- 'Liberty'
- 'In God We Trust'
- The four digits of a year, that of minting or issue
- Reverse:
- 'United States of America'
- 'E Pluribus Unum'
- Words (not digits) expressing the name or assigned value of the item, e.g., 'Quarter Dollar', 'One Dime', 'Five Cents'
The ten-year series of Statehood Quarters, whose issue began in 1999, was seen as calling for more space and more flexibility in the design of the reverse. A law specific to this series and the corresponding time period permits the following:
- Obverse:
- as before:
- 'Liberty'
- 'In God We Trust'
- instead of on the reverse:
- 'United States of America'
- The words expressing assigned value of the coin, 'Quarter Dollar'
- as before:
- Reverse:
- as before:
- 'E Pluribus Unum'
- instead of on the obverse:
- The four digits of the year of issue
- as before:
See also[edit]
Look up obverse or reverse in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. |
Wikimedia Commons has media related to Obverses. |
- Recto and verso of paper or page
References[edit]
- ^Sakoulas, Thomas. 'Ancient Greece'. www.ancient-greece.org.
- ^Commission Recommendation of 29 September 2003 on a common practice for changes to the design of national obverse sides of euro circulation coins (PDF), OJ L 264, 2003-10-15, pp. 38–39; EU doc. nr. C(2003) 3388.
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| Tyrellius talks to Jorundr in prison |
Quick Walkthrough[edit]
- Listen to rumors around Bruma to learn about a man making off with his girlfriend's money.
- Speak with Arnora Auria.
- Get into the jail to speak to Jorundr.
- Decide on your course of action and receive your reward.
Detailed Walkthrough[edit]
Arnora Auria[edit]
Listen to rumors around Bruma to learn of a woman named Arnora Auria whose boyfriend Jorundr tried to run away with her money. He was caught in the act and is being held in the Bruma jail.
Speak to Arnora in her house behind the chapel. When her disposition is high enough (60+) she will tell you that she and Jorundr are actually a pair of thieves who made a living by stealing just enough to get by. According to Arnora, Jorundr started wanting more and eventually killed a guard while robbing a tax collector. Days later, while Arnora was getting some food, guards captured Jorundr at their camp. Unfortunately, he had hidden the tax money and Arnora cannot get to it. Arnora asks you to speak with Jorundr and find out where the money is hidden.
If Arnora dies at this point (specifically, if she dies before you strike a bargain with Jorundr), the quest will end as soon as you talk to Jorundr. In this case, you receive 1 Infamy point (instead of the usual 1 Fame point) and you do not receive any reward.
Speak with Jorundr[edit]
You will find Jorundr in the Bruma jail. No matter how much you persuade him, he will not trust you. In order to gain his confidence, you will have to get yourself arrested and sent to jail. A quick way to do this is to pick up one of the items on the jail tables or attack the guards. Once you have been jailed, Jorundr will tell you that it was in fact Arnora who grew greedy and killed the guard. Jorundr tells you that he will reveal the location of the money if you kill Arnora and bring him her amulet.
If you wait a while before serving your sentence, a guard named Tyrellius Logellus will approach Jorundr and try to convince him to reveal the location of the treasure.
See the crime article for details on how to serve your sentence or, alternatively, how to escape from jail.
Choosing Sides[edit]
There are two ways to proceed at this point:
- Kill Arnora. The easiest way to do this is to tell her you'll kill her and run outside. She will follow and the guards will proceed to attack her. You can also choose to kill her in cold blood (without initiating conversation) and initiate the Dark Brotherhood quest line.
- You can save yourself the extra footwork by taking the true amulet from the chest before seeing Jorundr to report Arnora's death.
- Alternately, trick Jorundr into believing that Arnora is dead. To do this, tell Arnora you will help her and she will give you the key needed to retrieve the true amulet.
- However, if you choose this method and then proceed to kill Arnora in cold blood before discovering the gold's location, the quest will automatically end with a message that one of the persons needed in this quest has been killed.
After acquiring Arnora's True Amulet by any of the aforementioned methods, ask the Jailor to allow you to speak to Jorundr in the jail. Show the amulet to Jorundr. He will believe that Arnora is dead and tell you the location of the treasure.
- If you allowed Arnora to live, Tyrellius will be waiting for you by the treasure chest. He has killed Arnora and will now try to kill you.
- If you killed Arnora to gain the amulet(s), Tyrellius will not appear.
Reward[edit]
The treasure includes two skill books. One of the books will always be one of the seven Stealth skill books that appear in random loot; the other books will be for either a Magic or Combat skill (selected from one of the thirteen skill books that appear in random loot).
Notes[edit]
- You may want to do this quest very early in the game. The leveled reward for this quest is rarely worth the effort, but Tyrellius wears a full suit of chainmail armor (except for a helmet) and is armed with a silver longsword.
- If you attempt to sneak past Tyrellius, a message will pop up saying 'I'll need to deal with Tyrellius before I can open the chest.'
- You cannot pickpocket Arnora's Chest Key. It is scripted to appear on her corpse when she dies, or is given to you.(Arnora's Key is different, and opens her house).
- Once Jorundr tells you where to find the stolen gold, Arnora's amulets are changed from quest items to standard items. At this point, it becomes possible to drop, duplicate, or enchant them. The keys can be dropped at the end of the quest.
- If you choose to kill Arnora, you can gain both amulets: the blue fake and the red real one.
- You can show Jorundr both the real and the fake amulets for a little bit of extra dialogue.
- If you choose to trick Jorundr, you get only the red amulet. When Tyrellius subsequently murders Arnora, the blue amulet she wore is missing from the body.
- For an amusing variation, trick Jorundr and get Tyrellius to follow you back into Arnora's house and down the basement. Arnora will not yet be dead and will kill Tyrellius for you, at which point she will vanish and her body will appear on the first floor inside the door.
- If you do this, resist the temptation to use the Staff of Worms on her 'new' corpse until you complete the quest. The zombie cannot move, and when it re-dies you will receive the 'NPC needed for this quest has died' notification.
- If, as soon as Tyrellius draws his sword to attack, you run directly to the Bruma gate, upon returning Tyrellius may no longer be hostile. He will use the same dialogue but will not attack.
- If you opt to kill Arnora, her body will be marked as a quest item and will not disappear. You cannot safely use Arnora's house for storage or to sleep.
- After giving Jorundr the red amulet, you can kill Arnora and get the blue amulet off of her corpse. The game will say that the quest cannot complete because Arnora is dead (Stage 200). Then go to the location of the treasure and kill Tyrellius, and the normal quest messages come up (Stage 140), and you can open the chest as well (150). But, when you return to Arnora's house to find her 'new' corpse, the quest will not update to Stage 160 because the game thinks that you already finished it. Use the console and type in
setstage MS09 160
to fix this.[verification needed — see talk page] - Stage 160 of the Quest Journal says, 'I've found Arnora's body in her house. Tyrellius has indeed killed her. I should probably leave before the town guard thinks I had something to do with it. On the bright side, all of Jorundr's gold is now mine.' - The town guard never enters Arnora's house as no bounty is put on the player's head.
Bugs[edit]
- Since getting arrested is a requirement for this quest, a bug may occur that places NPCs from previous quests at Bruma Castle, potentially resulting in a fight. This is especially problematic here because the Allies for Bruma you may have worked hard to gather might take part and be killed. Doing this quest early, or seeing to it that any hostile NPCs do not survive the affected quests, will lessen this danger.
- This bug is fixed by the Unofficial Oblivion Patch.
- After you get arrested and talk to Jorundr, if you manage to escape from jail without resting or waiting, a duplicate of Tyrellius will appear. If you decide to help Arnora, then go outside to claim the gold and kill Tyrellius, you can return to the Bruma dungeon and find him still alive and well equipped in Bruma guard clothing.
- This bug is fixed by version 3.4.0 of the Unofficial Oblivion Patch.
- If you kill Tyrellius while in jail and let Arnora live, Tyrellius will still be alive and waiting by the treasure chest.
- This bug is fixed by the Unofficial Oblivion Patch.
- Tyrellius' body will permanently stay where you slew him.
- This bug is fixed by the Unofficial Oblivion Patch.
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Journal Entries[edit]
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Stage | Finishes Quest | Journal Entry |
10 | I've heard that Arnora Auria of Bruma is looking for some help recovering some money that was stolen from her. I should make my way to her house and see if I can help. | |
15 | I've spoken to Arnora, but it sounds like she wants me to do something potentially illegal. I've told her I'm not interested. It sounded like she'd welcome me back if I changed my mind. | |
20 | Arnora told me about a particular crime that she was forced to help her lover, Jorundr, commit. They stole some gold and buried it, but Jorundr was arrested. When she returned to the hiding place, the gold was gone. Jorundr must have moved it. Now she wants to recover the money. I should go to Bruma Castle Dungeons and speak to him. | |
30 | Jorundr refused to speak to me. He said that he doesn't talk to 'outsiders'. I think he's referring to the fact that I'm not a prisoner. Sounds like the only way to get him to talk is by getting arrested. | |
35 | I've committed a crime and been sent to jail. This may be the perfect opportunity to speak to Jorundr about the stolen gold. (If the player hasn't yet talked to Jorundr)or I've committed a crime and been sent to jail. Perhaps now I can convince Jorundr to tell me about the stolen gold. (If the player has previously talked to Jorundr) | |
40 | Jorundr had a completely different take on what happened with Arnora. He says she turned him in, hoping to get the gold for herself, but he had moved it. He's furious and wants revenge. Jorundr then offered to give me all of the gold if I kill her. All I have to do is show him her amulet. | |
50 | I've slain Arnora. I should take the amulet off her body and bring it to Jorundr. | |
60 | I've convinced Arnora to give me her amulet. However, I've agreed to split the gold with her. She gave me the key to unlock the chest next to her bed. Inside is the amulet Jorundr is looking for. I should retrieve it and bring it to the Bruma Castle Dungeon. | |
70 | I've shown Arnora's Amulet to Jorundr. He revealed the location of the treasure as being buried outside the town wall. | |
100 | I've found the treasure that Jorundr concealed outside the walls of Bruma. | |
140 | I've killed a corrupt guard named Tyrellius Logellus near the stashed loot. Apparently, he had overheard my conversation with Jorundr in the Bruma Castle Dungeons and wanted the gold for himself. I think he's also killed Arnora. I can now recover the gold unhindered. | |
150 | I've found the treasure that Jorundr concealed. I should go check to see if Tyrellius was telling the truth about Arnora. | |
160 | I've found Arnora's body in her house. Tyrellius has indeed killed her. I should probably leave before the town guard thinks I had something to do with it. On the bright side, all of Jorundr's gold is now mine. | |
180 | Arnora's death occurred before I struck a bargain with Jorundr and if he would have rewarded me before, he certainly won't now. | |
200 | One of the characters needed to complete this quest has died. |
How Many Nickels In A Roll
- Notes
- Not all Journal Entries may appear in your journal; which entries appear and which entries do not depends on the manner in which the quest is done.
- Stages are not always in order of progress. This is usually the case with quests that have multiple possible outcomes or quests where certain tasks may be done in random order.
- If an entry is marked as 'Finishes Quest' it means the quest disappears from the Active Quest list, but you may still receive new entries for that quest.
- It is possible to use the console to advance through the quest by entering
setstage MS09 stage
, wherestage
is the number of the stage you wish to complete. It is not possible to un-complete (i.e. go back) quest stages. See SetStage for more information.
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